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DateTue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:43 PM.
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The following is my correspondence with Cecil Pinto when he sent the lyric of one of the songs. I had said then that I will support Calvert if he has the necessary proofs about Fr. Diogo. With this post of Menino Vaz, this is as good a proof as can be. There are good priests and there are bad priests. And Fr. Diogo seems to be an arrogant bad priest. He and all those higher ups who are shielding him should be exposed to exorcise the Church from the bad name it is being given.
Cheers,
Floriano goasuraj www.goasu-raj.org
PS: Our local parish priest wanted me to join the priesthood when I was in school. He pressurized me, my mother to no end. But he couldn't approach my father who hated secular priests (as this order is called). He always used to say that if any of my sons want to be a priest, let him leave the house and go after Jesus Christ. I will see that he does not get the share of the property, ever. Indeed, as I have said earlier, some priests are master politicians. They can even sell Jesus Christ at a loss when they want :-))
PPS: Goa's Need of the Hour ....................What's Zat??? ...................?? ----- Original Message --
--- From: "floriano" <floriano.lobo@gmail.com>To: "Cecil Pinto" <cecilpinto@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:18 PMSubject: Re: Controversial song from CD that created the ruckus in Colva
> Cecil,> I think this is libel clear cut since Fr. Diogo is named here.> However, Calvert must be having something up his sleeves and not a damn fool > to have gone vocal and public with this dynamite.> >
I will support Calvert anytime if he can prove all those things he has said > about this priest whether people of Colva (chamchas of the Padri agree or > not) as this is as good a case as ever to censure the Catholic Church in Goa > which I feel is moving in more than one direction and cannot support a very > strong leader at the helm, libel or not. Ex. Fr. Conceicao Silva.> > Cheers> flo. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cecil Pinto" <cecilpinto@gmail.com>> To: <cecilpinto@gmail.com>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:40 PM>
Subject: Controversial song from CD that created the ruckus in Colva> > >> TRACK 2 of the CD titled 'DOGUI BODMAS'>>>> (some errors)>>>>>>
Ek padri mhuntlear Devachea nodren poi tum ani aum.>>
Bhietalea ghevun eka padrichem nanv>>
padri rostean chollon veta zalear vochun tachea haticho geiet ummau>>
Tedna amchem chodd mozbut asleam tem devassaum.>>>>>>
Padri zavop mhunnchea hea sounsarant sodanch tankam vhodlo aslo man>>
Borem kam korun lokank sekoun dieat Devachea nanvant>>
Padri soddanch mannant lektaleat Dormacho vhoddli vhodd thoseach lhan.>>
Punn atam thodea padrinim poiet sarkich kelea ghann
Adim padri zatoch to aplem ghor ani familik soddi.>>
Khuinchea igorjeak dadunk zal tor Dhormacho vhoddil taka daddi
Devachea mollant borem kam korun, dadlolea zagher panch vorsam tea kaddi>>
Matxeapunn chukleat zalear, Dhormacho vhoddil boddi mari.>>>>>>
Padri zaun nit't rosto choltolo mhunn Devacher hat't dovoru soput dila>>
Punn tem utor samballunk nam, Tacher add ghelea>>
Gaunchea amchea igorjean etana, barabor okleak tum gheun eila>>
Padriponn sod, Father Diogo tum Bhailancho Romeo zala.>>>>>>
Tum eitoch chod politics amchea ghavant>>
Tumi zogddi ghatlint sakramentachea bhailank ani ghovank>>
Lokank kednach kumsaruch korunk nam, focot tum dhuddu magta sermavank>>
Fabrikachim bhattam vikkunch soddta, axeacho, Lagunk tea dundvank>>>>>>
Fadar Diogo poiet oxem sangta Bishop aikocho nam kitech sangla tor>>
Iskollan ekuch bankar bosun ami xikpi barabor>>
Whisky ani Jur nastana poixea divun Nit kortoleanchi jib kelea nibor.>>
Akach lagun, futteo poddleat amchea ghanvchea bhitor>>
Akach lagun, futteo poddleat amchea ghanvchea bhitor>> >-----
Original Message ----- From: Cecil Pinto To: cecilpinto@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:43 PMSubject: [GoenchimXapotam]
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MORE ON COLVA CD, PRIEST & CHURCH.
From: Menino Vaz Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:56 PM To: goa.kranti@gmail.com
Many Facts of Fr Diogo and the controversial audio CD “Dogui Bodmas”
Being silent doesn’t mean that one is weak. The Peace loving people of Colva have been taken for granted by a few undesired elements that have held us at ransom. We have kept quiet not because we are weak or because we don’t have the numbers but because we are civilized and are peace loving. We cannot keep quiet any longer especially when accusations are made against those who have shown exemplary courage to expose the rogues. The rogue in this case happens to be our Colva Parish Priest Fr Diogo Fernandes. Calvert Gonsalves has only exposed the wrong doing of a Priest Fr Diogo in his audio CD “Dogui Bodmas”. No contradiction or defaming or ridiculing of religion is done. So this does not amount to hurting religious sentiments as claimed....
January 13, 2010
January 11, 2010
MORE ON COLVA CD, PRIEST & CHURCH.
From: Menino Vaz
Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:56 PM
To: goa.kranti@gmail.com
Many Facts of Fr Diogo and the controversial audio CD “Dogui Bodmas”
Being silent doesn’t mean that one is weak. The Peace loving people of Colva have been taken for granted by a few undesired elements that have held us at ransom. We have kept quiet not because we are weak or because we don’t have the numbers but because we are civilized and are peace loving. We cannot keep quiet any longer especially when accusations are made against those who have shown exemplary courage to expose the rogues. The rogue in this case happens to be our Colva Parish Priest Fr Diogo Fernandes. Calvert Gonsalves has only exposed the wrong doing of a Priest Fr Diogo in his audio CD “Dogui Bodmas”. No contradiction or defaming or ridiculing of religion is done. So this does not amount to hurting religious sentiments as claimed.
Let us agree that there is defamatory material against Fr Diogo. When has’nt Fr Diogo and his supporters made the list of defamatory material? Let me do it – One song narrates how Priests were in the past and how shameless some of them have got in recent times. How we used to respect Priests by kissing their hand if they walked past. Its mentioned that in the past, when a person became a Priest, he used to leave his home and family behind and devote totally to Gods work. Then there is a comparison made where this particular Priest has brought his girlfriend along while coming to this Parish. That he is in the process of selling Church Property and looting in Gods name by misusing the Church Alter. (This is happening in many places and I see nothing wrong with this). Another song is a narration by a Priest himself where he says – I passed Metric (SSC) and was very depressed after seeing people unemployed in spite of being educated. At this juncture, I saw some priests making fast money in the name of God so I also became a Priest. Life is great as a Priest because people worship a priest blindly and no one objects to what he is doing in spite of it being wrong. – Well this is reality and there is nothing wrong in exposing it.
Fr Diogo suddenly decides that the contents of the CD match his life and functioning as Parish Priest. What does he do next? Afraid of losing his lucrative posting as “Colva Parish Priest”, Fr Diogo instigates his close Chamchas and gets sleepless nights when he soon finds that their strength is not enough. Fr Diogo allows Church bells to be peeled frantically and threatens to lock the Church and stop Holy Mass, weddings, Funerals etc. Fr Diogo then approaches the immediate family of the person that Calvert had defeated at the last Panchayat elections who were obviously very hostile to Calvert. The mob is soon joined by local Colva Paedophile merchants (those who supply young migrant’s children to Paedophiles for sex). Mickky then joins the bandwagon by buying people from neighbouring Nuvem (his new Constituency) @ Rs. 500 each.
Calvert is pointing out that a particular Priest is bad. This has nothing to do with religious sentiments and going against the Catholic religion. A rotten apple (in this case Fr Diogo) is being demanded to be discarded since he is polluting the Roman Catholic system as a Parasite. The Bishop and Vicar General is also part & parcel of Fr Diogo’s setup of looting in sheep’s clothing.
In short Fr Diogo is admitting that the CD is depicting his life. Instigating follows and Calverts house is stoned where his 78 years+ parents, his 85 years + uncle, his wife and 4 year old child were targeted. Targeted by whom? Persons who the same Calvert had defeated at the last Panchayat elections in 2007 in spite of Mickky Pacheco going from door to door to canvass for this illiterate candidate against Calvert.
It’s a Known fact that Fr Diogo came to the Colva Parish with his lady love who it was alleged has borne him a child. This child now works for Fr Diogo at the Colva Parish office. In “Dogui Bodmas” Calvert exposes Fr Diogo for being in the process of selling our Church Property with disregard to their objections from Parishioners in total arrogance.
As a Parishioner of Colva I am aware as to what extent we have had patience with this Parish Priest Fr Diogo. Everyone is afraid to talk against a Priest for the fear of being on the wrong side of the Catholic society. Hats off to Calvert Gonsalves for getting his resentment in musical form “Dogui Bodmas”. It’s a piece of art that even Tiatrist cannot match. We in Colva are aware that Calvert had written personally to Fr Diogo two letters spanning over two years wherein he had objected to his wrong doings. Both the letters were sent to the Bishop. The second letter was sent to all the Parishes in Goa. I have read both those letters but at the moment cannot get my hand on them. So perhaps at the earliest when I do get them, I will post them.
Who says that a Catholic cannot object when a Priest is bad? What gives the Priest liberty to continue in spite of being bad and after his wrong doings are highlighted? Objecting to the wrong doings of a Priest, does this amount to hurting religious sentiments? We need to ask these questions to ourselves since we claim we are in a civilized society. To help you decide.I suggest that you read on -
1. Fr Diogo came to Colva Parish from Maina Parish near Curtorim. He had already swindled funds by taking loans and donations on the pretext of putting up a new school building. The Maina Parish is still struggling to pay this loan till this day.
2. At the time of leaving Maina Parish, Fr Diogo forced the new Parish Priest Fr Golbert to regularize the services of a lady who was supposed to be Fr. Diogo’s cook. Fr Golbert refused to do that which resulted in Fr Diogo asking the lady to file a case against Fr Golbert for not regularizing her services in Maina Parish (near Curtorim). Till this day, Fr Diogo is running this case on behalf of that lady with her Power of Attorney. He has even gone in the witness box to defend this lady.
3. In reality it turned out that this lady was Fr Diogo’s lady love for whom he has even built a house at Rachol a few meters on the eastern side of the Rachol Seminary. People must know that when Fr. Diogo goes to this house that he built for this lady love, the local children call him “Uncle, Uncle”. Obviously because he does not even wear a cross on his shirt when he not in his white robes.
4. At our Colva Parish he started off by forcibly building a new school when the state of the old school is pathetic. Even the slab pieces of the old school are falling down on the students.
5. The initial estimate to build the new school building was 90 lakhs. By begging even abroad including Kuwait, Fr Diogo has collected an estimated more then 4 crores of rupees which he has not accounted for and refuses to account for saying “who are you to ask me for accounts?”. The begging continues each day at every mass. Names of donors and the amount donated is announced but the total amount received is not announced.
6. Fr Diogo has even stopped Sunday Mass at the various village Chapels where the old people find it convenient to attend Holy Mass. The irony is that the people arrange their own Priests to celebrate Holy Mass at these Chapels so Fr Diogo does not have the burden of sending a Priest from the Colva Church. And yet, Fr Diogo stops the Sunday Mass at these Chapels. He even demands the money Collection. I know for myself that Calvert and his neighbours even went to the Bishop to complain when Sunday mass was stopped at the Chapel a few meters from his house. I am told that The Bishop took this very lightly and said “I will look into the matter and let you know”. Of course he never got back and the agony obviously grew.
7. At the last “Fama of Menino Jesus”, Fr Diogo was dead drunk while keeping the statue of Menino Jesus on the Alter. In that drunken state, the statue of Menino Jesus slipped from his hand as many as four times. Real disgusting this!!!
These are just a few of the many things that Fr Diogo is doing. Its up to all of us to make a start and rise to the occasion to stop all this.
Menino Vaz – Colva.
Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:56 PM
To: goa.kranti@gmail.com
Many Facts of Fr Diogo and the controversial audio CD “Dogui Bodmas”
Being silent doesn’t mean that one is weak. The Peace loving people of Colva have been taken for granted by a few undesired elements that have held us at ransom. We have kept quiet not because we are weak or because we don’t have the numbers but because we are civilized and are peace loving. We cannot keep quiet any longer especially when accusations are made against those who have shown exemplary courage to expose the rogues. The rogue in this case happens to be our Colva Parish Priest Fr Diogo Fernandes. Calvert Gonsalves has only exposed the wrong doing of a Priest Fr Diogo in his audio CD “Dogui Bodmas”. No contradiction or defaming or ridiculing of religion is done. So this does not amount to hurting religious sentiments as claimed.
Let us agree that there is defamatory material against Fr Diogo. When has’nt Fr Diogo and his supporters made the list of defamatory material? Let me do it – One song narrates how Priests were in the past and how shameless some of them have got in recent times. How we used to respect Priests by kissing their hand if they walked past. Its mentioned that in the past, when a person became a Priest, he used to leave his home and family behind and devote totally to Gods work. Then there is a comparison made where this particular Priest has brought his girlfriend along while coming to this Parish. That he is in the process of selling Church Property and looting in Gods name by misusing the Church Alter. (This is happening in many places and I see nothing wrong with this). Another song is a narration by a Priest himself where he says – I passed Metric (SSC) and was very depressed after seeing people unemployed in spite of being educated. At this juncture, I saw some priests making fast money in the name of God so I also became a Priest. Life is great as a Priest because people worship a priest blindly and no one objects to what he is doing in spite of it being wrong. – Well this is reality and there is nothing wrong in exposing it.
Fr Diogo suddenly decides that the contents of the CD match his life and functioning as Parish Priest. What does he do next? Afraid of losing his lucrative posting as “Colva Parish Priest”, Fr Diogo instigates his close Chamchas and gets sleepless nights when he soon finds that their strength is not enough. Fr Diogo allows Church bells to be peeled frantically and threatens to lock the Church and stop Holy Mass, weddings, Funerals etc. Fr Diogo then approaches the immediate family of the person that Calvert had defeated at the last Panchayat elections who were obviously very hostile to Calvert. The mob is soon joined by local Colva Paedophile merchants (those who supply young migrant’s children to Paedophiles for sex). Mickky then joins the bandwagon by buying people from neighbouring Nuvem (his new Constituency) @ Rs. 500 each.
Calvert is pointing out that a particular Priest is bad. This has nothing to do with religious sentiments and going against the Catholic religion. A rotten apple (in this case Fr Diogo) is being demanded to be discarded since he is polluting the Roman Catholic system as a Parasite. The Bishop and Vicar General is also part & parcel of Fr Diogo’s setup of looting in sheep’s clothing.
In short Fr Diogo is admitting that the CD is depicting his life. Instigating follows and Calverts house is stoned where his 78 years+ parents, his 85 years + uncle, his wife and 4 year old child were targeted. Targeted by whom? Persons who the same Calvert had defeated at the last Panchayat elections in 2007 in spite of Mickky Pacheco going from door to door to canvass for this illiterate candidate against Calvert.
It’s a Known fact that Fr Diogo came to the Colva Parish with his lady love who it was alleged has borne him a child. This child now works for Fr Diogo at the Colva Parish office. In “Dogui Bodmas” Calvert exposes Fr Diogo for being in the process of selling our Church Property with disregard to their objections from Parishioners in total arrogance.
As a Parishioner of Colva I am aware as to what extent we have had patience with this Parish Priest Fr Diogo. Everyone is afraid to talk against a Priest for the fear of being on the wrong side of the Catholic society. Hats off to Calvert Gonsalves for getting his resentment in musical form “Dogui Bodmas”. It’s a piece of art that even Tiatrist cannot match. We in Colva are aware that Calvert had written personally to Fr Diogo two letters spanning over two years wherein he had objected to his wrong doings. Both the letters were sent to the Bishop. The second letter was sent to all the Parishes in Goa. I have read both those letters but at the moment cannot get my hand on them. So perhaps at the earliest when I do get them, I will post them.
Who says that a Catholic cannot object when a Priest is bad? What gives the Priest liberty to continue in spite of being bad and after his wrong doings are highlighted? Objecting to the wrong doings of a Priest, does this amount to hurting religious sentiments? We need to ask these questions to ourselves since we claim we are in a civilized society. To help you decide.I suggest that you read on -
1. Fr Diogo came to Colva Parish from Maina Parish near Curtorim. He had already swindled funds by taking loans and donations on the pretext of putting up a new school building. The Maina Parish is still struggling to pay this loan till this day.
2. At the time of leaving Maina Parish, Fr Diogo forced the new Parish Priest Fr Golbert to regularize the services of a lady who was supposed to be Fr. Diogo’s cook. Fr Golbert refused to do that which resulted in Fr Diogo asking the lady to file a case against Fr Golbert for not regularizing her services in Maina Parish (near Curtorim). Till this day, Fr Diogo is running this case on behalf of that lady with her Power of Attorney. He has even gone in the witness box to defend this lady.
3. In reality it turned out that this lady was Fr Diogo’s lady love for whom he has even built a house at Rachol a few meters on the eastern side of the Rachol Seminary. People must know that when Fr. Diogo goes to this house that he built for this lady love, the local children call him “Uncle, Uncle”. Obviously because he does not even wear a cross on his shirt when he not in his white robes.
4. At our Colva Parish he started off by forcibly building a new school when the state of the old school is pathetic. Even the slab pieces of the old school are falling down on the students.
5. The initial estimate to build the new school building was 90 lakhs. By begging even abroad including Kuwait, Fr Diogo has collected an estimated more then 4 crores of rupees which he has not accounted for and refuses to account for saying “who are you to ask me for accounts?”. The begging continues each day at every mass. Names of donors and the amount donated is announced but the total amount received is not announced.
6. Fr Diogo has even stopped Sunday Mass at the various village Chapels where the old people find it convenient to attend Holy Mass. The irony is that the people arrange their own Priests to celebrate Holy Mass at these Chapels so Fr Diogo does not have the burden of sending a Priest from the Colva Church. And yet, Fr Diogo stops the Sunday Mass at these Chapels. He even demands the money Collection. I know for myself that Calvert and his neighbours even went to the Bishop to complain when Sunday mass was stopped at the Chapel a few meters from his house. I am told that The Bishop took this very lightly and said “I will look into the matter and let you know”. Of course he never got back and the agony obviously grew.
7. At the last “Fama of Menino Jesus”, Fr Diogo was dead drunk while keeping the statue of Menino Jesus on the Alter. In that drunken state, the statue of Menino Jesus slipped from his hand as many as four times. Real disgusting this!!!
These are just a few of the many things that Fr Diogo is doing. Its up to all of us to make a start and rise to the occasion to stop all this.
Menino Vaz – Colva.
January 7, 2010
Jesus on Veronica's article on Colva CD. VII.
From: Jesus Fernandes <nemo365@live.com>
Tmailto:goa.kranti@gmail.com
The article on Colva CD written by Veronica is very nice. The people of Colva are not rowdy but few hundred people who did this are hench men to a local politician. The people who were doing this act have never worked for welfare of the church. They may be christian but they are not following the theaching of Jesus Christ. In Bible it is said 'whoever has not commited a sin will be the first one to throw stone on sinner'. But here I feel nobody has commited sin in their whole life, so they have started to throw stones on calvert house.
People of Colva are friendly that is why people from all over the world flock to Colva. But of course we have rotten eggs too.This people does'nt look broader side of the picture cause we have to be law obeying people.
Tmailto:goa.kranti@gmail.com
The article on Colva CD written by Veronica is very nice. The people of Colva are not rowdy but few hundred people who did this are hench men to a local politician. The people who were doing this act have never worked for welfare of the church. They may be christian but they are not following the theaching of Jesus Christ. In Bible it is said 'whoever has not commited a sin will be the first one to throw stone on sinner'. But here I feel nobody has commited sin in their whole life, so they have started to throw stones on calvert house.
People of Colva are friendly that is why people from all over the world flock to Colva. But of course we have rotten eggs too.This people does'nt look broader side of the picture cause we have to be law obeying people.
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